Comments on: Seeking Gems in a Sea of Manure http://crankypm.com/2007/07/seeking-gems-in-a-sea-of-manure/ Product management, product marketing, and the ugly side of software product development. Tue, 15 May 2012 21:21:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: How to Get Hired By The Cranky Product Manager | The Cranky Product Manager http://crankypm.com/2007/07/seeking-gems-in-a-sea-of-manure/comment-page-1/#comment-879 How to Get Hired By The Cranky Product Manager | The Cranky Product Manager Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:08:56 +0000 http://crankypm.com/crankypm/2007/07/seeking-gems-in-a-sea-of-manure/#comment-879 [...] her last post, the Cranky Product Manager received a bevy of emails asking “given the recruiting process is [...] [...] her last post, the Cranky Product Manager received a bevy of emails asking “given the recruiting process is [...]

]]> By: A Reader Responds to “Six Types of Engineers” | The Cranky Product Manager http://crankypm.com/2007/07/seeking-gems-in-a-sea-of-manure/comment-page-1/#comment-870 A Reader Responds to “Six Types of Engineers” | The Cranky Product Manager Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:43:01 +0000 http://crankypm.com/crankypm/2007/07/seeking-gems-in-a-sea-of-manure/#comment-870 [...] just as much as (if not more than) software engineers — in fact, those posts are the most popular by far, in a readership where PMs outnumber developers by 8 to 1. All further evidence of the [...] [...] just as much as (if not more than) software engineers — in fact, those posts are the most popular by far, in a readership where PMs outnumber developers by 8 to 1. All further evidence of the [...]

]]> By: Sue http://crankypm.com/2007/07/seeking-gems-in-a-sea-of-manure/comment-page-1/#comment-762 Sue Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:57:40 +0000 http://crankypm.com/crankypm/2007/07/seeking-gems-in-a-sea-of-manure/#comment-762 <p>This cranky product marketing manager had to stop the search-for-candidates process because she got too embarrassed to ask qualified candidates to settle for the pitiful salary being offered by the company (even though it comes with a bonus to bring you up to market levels - which you're not likely to achieve because you never quite hit all the objectives, but it's neat to *think* that one day, maybe you will). There is still a glimmer of hope that one day I'll be given enough budget to hire someone a mild level of experience (not including summer camp and call centers).</p> This cranky product marketing manager had to stop the search-for-candidates process because she got too embarrassed to ask qualified candidates to settle for the pitiful salary being offered by the company (even though it comes with a bonus to bring you up to market levels – which you’re not likely to achieve because you never quite hit all the objectives, but it’s neat to *think* that one day, maybe you will). There is still a glimmer of hope that one day I’ll be given enough budget to hire someone a mild level of experience (not including summer camp and call centers).

]]> By: me http://crankypm.com/2007/07/seeking-gems-in-a-sea-of-manure/comment-page-1/#comment-763 me Sat, 04 Aug 2007 01:17:46 +0000 http://crankypm.com/crankypm/2007/07/seeking-gems-in-a-sea-of-manure/#comment-763 <p>*This* cranky Product Manager works on enterprise software that supposedly helps to *hire* people. Can you smell the irony? The reason it takes forever is because recruiters spend a lot of time complaining that the software doesn't do their entire job on their behalf.</p> *This* cranky Product Manager works on enterprise software that supposedly helps to *hire* people. Can you smell the irony? The reason it takes forever is because recruiters spend a lot of time complaining that the software doesn’t do their entire job on their behalf.

]]> By: me http://crankypm.com/2007/07/seeking-gems-in-a-sea-of-manure/comment-page-1/#comment-764 me Sat, 04 Aug 2007 01:17:23 +0000 http://crankypm.com/crankypm/2007/07/seeking-gems-in-a-sea-of-manure/#comment-764 <p>*This* cranky Product Manager works on enterprise software that supposedly helps to *hire* people. Can you smell the irony? The reason it takes forever is because recruiters spend a lot of time complaining that the software doesn't do their entire job on their behalf.</p> *This* cranky Product Manager works on enterprise software that supposedly helps to *hire* people. Can you smell the irony? The reason it takes forever is because recruiters spend a lot of time complaining that the software doesn’t do their entire job on their behalf.

]]> By: therese http://crankypm.com/2007/07/seeking-gems-in-a-sea-of-manure/comment-page-1/#comment-765 therese Wed, 01 Aug 2007 19:47:14 +0000 http://crankypm.com/crankypm/2007/07/seeking-gems-in-a-sea-of-manure/#comment-765 <p>The reason offer letters from HR take so long is because unlike Product Managers, Human Resource Managers* do not have to list Word, Excel and Powerpoint in their resumes. That accounts for the inability to cut and paste properly. </p> <p>(* are there Inanimate Object Managers in companies too? Just wondering)</p> The reason offer letters from HR take so long is because unlike Product Managers, Human Resource Managers* do not have to list Word, Excel and Powerpoint in their resumes. That accounts for the inability to cut and paste properly.

(* are there Inanimate Object Managers in companies too? Just wondering)

]]> By: Don http://crankypm.com/2007/07/seeking-gems-in-a-sea-of-manure/comment-page-1/#comment-766 Don Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:16:56 +0000 http://crankypm.com/crankypm/2007/07/seeking-gems-in-a-sea-of-manure/#comment-766 <p>Awesome rant! I laughed out loud over every point. There is humor in pain, and we've all felt this one.</p> <p>My anecdote: former CEO/chairman was SO supportive of good product management that he required candidates to be "future CEO's". You can imagine our pay scale didn't match the talent he described. And good luck finding such a person. Result: protracted hiring process, open reqs eventually went away and everyone coped with the lack of more (semi-able) bodies.</p> Awesome rant! I laughed out loud over every point. There is humor in pain, and we’ve all felt this one.

My anecdote: former CEO/chairman was SO supportive of good product management that he required candidates to be “future CEO’s”. You can imagine our pay scale didn’t match the talent he described. And good luck finding such a person. Result: protracted hiring process, open reqs eventually went away and everyone coped with the lack of more (semi-able) bodies.

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