On Customer Advisory Groups

Two questions from readers triggered this miraculous post:

“What is your opinion of the effectiveness of Client Advisory Groups, and do you think that PMs (cranky or not) should organize and facilitate them?”

“Follow up to the Client Advisory Groups, assuming you have an existing CAG how do extract useful feedback and integrate it with the development process? A ‘rate this feature’ tool? Something all together better?”

So, let the Cranky Product Manager go on record. She LOVES Client/Customer Advisory Groups, provided they are done right. Customer Advisory Groups can get you WICKED AWESOME unvarnished information about:

  • The actual BUSINESS problems that your customers are facing now and in the future
  • How customers view your products’ approach to those problems
  • The market and technology trends your customers sees and what their effects might be
  • How the market views you versus your competitors

Further, if the CAG goes well, you have an unparalleled opportunity to build real relationships with actual customer decision makers. Play your cards right and make friends (or lovers, if you’re a slutty guy), and you’ll leave with relationships with a handful of customers you can call directly — to get impromptu reaction to your product strategy, product feedback, and even competitive information.

Developing these direct customer relationships is ESSENTIAL for a product manager. Because you need to find out what REALLY turns your customers on. Without your own direct relationships, you have to rely on Sales Droids to setup and supervise all your customer conversations. And that’s like having your dorky Dad chaperon you on your hot dates — no fun, kind of embarrassing, and no one gets what they really want out of the interaction.

Alas, Customer Advisory Groups are often done wrong. They turn into multi-hour bitch-n’-moan sessions where each customer lists all the low-level enhancements (and bugs even) that they already filed with Tech Support. None of the above questions are answered, and none of the right relationships develop — wasting the time of all involved.

So, how do you do a Client Advisory Group RIGHT?

There’s a lot of magic, but the biggest thing is getting the RIGHT people there.

Who are the RIGHT people? Usually a higher level person than a PM might normally get to talk to, and definitely higher up than those Tech Support talks to. The RIGHT people are those who OWN the business problems your product solves; they write the big checks and are responsible for actual business results.

So, for example, assume your customer runs all their call centers using your product. Well, get the customer’s Sr. VP of Customer Service to attend, plus maybe the main tech influencer — often the CIO or CTO.

Who are the WRONG people? The software engineers who don’t like the wording of particular error messages. The system administrators who are primarily concerned with automating things they can do perfectly well via the interface. The content developers. The customer’s QA guy. (See footnote 1).

Um, Problem. I can’t get any of the RIGHT people to attend.

Yes, it is VERY difficult to get the real decision makers to attend your little Customer Advisory Group. They are very busy people and very important to their companies. Even if one agrees to attend, the chance of him/her bailing out at the last minute is > 50%. These folks will be VERY tempted to delegate this to the more technical, lower-level members of their team — the WRONG people. And then all is lost.

So you gotta make attending your Customer Advisory Group a SWEET deal. You gotta make these high level folks want to attend desperately, enough that they’ll actually keep their schedule free.

So repeat after me:

Location is everything: If your typical sale has a multi-million dollar price tag, your decision makers are C-level business-side execs. Better go for Pebble Beach and secure tee times for attendees. If it’s an IT-only sale with typical deals being in the mid-to-high six figures, think a high-end resort in Napa Valley, or something similar for your locale. If your product goes for a few thousand bucks, well the local Marriott will probably do. You get the idea. Whatever you do, don’t cheap out and make them buy their own food/drinks or eat rubber chicken on a stick.

Purchasers of enterprise software LOVE Pebble Beach.  Trust the Cranky Product Manager on this.
Purchasers of enterprise software LOVE Pebble Beach. Trust the Cranky Product Manager on this.

Provide a “looks good” excuse to attend: Your target attendee will catch flak for going on a vendor-sponsored boondoggle to Pebble Beach unless you provide a way to justify attending to his/her boss and shareholders. Best Bet: Have a topical presentation by a well-known, “impartial” outsider. Preferably a charismatic author of a best-selling business book that somehow relates to the problems your software solves. Second choice is an “honest broker” presentation by one of those Gardener or Forrest Ranger ho-bags (hahahahaha! The CPM can’t control her laughter about that one, “honest!” hahahaha), or maybe a former exec at a well-known, admired company. Last choice: a professor. Please , let her at least have tenure. Also, you might want to have the outsider stick around to moderate some of the discussion.

Oh yeah, if your company has a rock star CEO/Guru (i.e. Ellison, Andreesen, …) try to at least get a meet-and-greet.

Other advice

Agenda: Two days with plenty of breaks, a cocktail hour and an awesome dinner. Include the following sessions:

  1. The thought-provoking presentation by the outsider (see above), preferably related to the problems your product solves
  2. A moderated discussion on the general business trends and strategic issues customers see and what it means to them
  3. A product discussion that links the trends/problems to potential product directions.
  4. Plenty of time to facilitate networking among the attendees. Help them break the ice and get to know each other.

Who Attends: 4-5 of your company execs and product management leaders. Have key Engineering directors/VPs and junior PMs attend relevant parts, but they must sit quietly in the back of the room. (NO banging away on laptops).

Salespeople stay away or shut the hell up.

What Product Managers Should Do: Milk this session for all its worth. PREPARE. Big Time. During breaks, socialize with the attendees as often as possible without annoying them. Which is hard if you have a crabby personality like the Cranky Product Manager.

More Specifics on the Product Session

Product Management should design and facilitate the Product Session. And NO, the Cranky PM isn’t going to tell you exactly how to structure the Product session. Deal with it. Your approach should vary anyway, depending on the burning questions you have. The key is to get the customers ENGAGED and learning from each other — Interactivity, BABY! That’s what makes them happy and will get them to come back next year.

OK, a hint. DON’T DO THIS: Each customer gets up, gives a presentation about how they use the product and the enhancements they want to see. This will bore the bahjeezus out of everyone, the RIGHT people will decide then and there not to come next year, and — trust the Cranky Product Manager — Tech Support already has this entire list anyway.

OK, Yet Another Hint. The Cranky Product Manager has had lots of success with workshop-style exercises that involve walking around the room and pasting sticky notes to flip charts — an artifact from her days as a management consultant at one of those big-dealio strategy consulting firms. Read Luke Hohmann’s book, Innovation Games: Creating Breakthrough Products Through Collaborative Play to get some ideas.

(Just remember to send Hohmann royalties for any “games” you use. Haha, just kidding, Luke. OK, not really. Seriously, Luke, the CPM is impressed you that you trademarked these “games”, since most are de reigueur for any product-oriented workshop the Cranky Product Manager has led or attended in the past 15 years. So, well done. The Cranky Product Manager is totally jealous. And though she is sniping at you because she is exceedingly immature, the Cranky PM is genuinely thankful that you collected these workshop exercises in a single 150-page primer. Now she can toss the book to junior PMs instead of having them learn purely by doing — a big help.)

Who Organizes the CAG?

Get an admin assistant or Marketing’s event planning people to handle the logistics. PM should recruit the attendees with the help of Sales — if you leave the invitation list up to another function, more than likely you will end up with the WRONG people in attendance. Also, PM should set the agenda, provide guidance to the outside speaker/moderator, and design the above-described product session.

But WAIT there’s more.

There’s a lot more to say on how to get the most out of Customer Advisory Councils. Lots. The CPM could go on and on, but alas she’s getting Carpal Tunnel. So, here’s a few other links you might find interesting. Note that they don’t agree with the CPM on every point (idiots!), but are still worth reading.


1. These people have valuable feedback, but there should be another venue for that: USER GROUPS and your usual customer meetings and conference calls.


  1. cleverpeeps

    Blah, blah, blah. Do you read what you write, or do you write it and let someone else tell you how great you are. Shocker – talking to customers helps you to understand what they want. You do realize your not really a product manager and that you’re a sales person.

    Oh, and your web site is slow.

  2. The Cranky Product Manager

    cleverpeeps, the Cranky Product Manager is highly amused by your hatin’ comment. Clearly a link-baiting attempt! But the hilarious thing is, you misspelled your URL so you won’t even get the links!

    The Cranky Product Manager pities your error, so here’s the corrected link to your oh-so-awesome blog http://cleverdev.blogspot.com

    Oh, and from your one and only blog post, you’ll clearly be surprised to learn that lots of product managers (the CPM included) dislike Scrum too. Thanks for the link to http://www.scrumsucks.com.

  3. April

    I loved this post. Running an advisory council isn’t at easy as it looks at first.
    Getting people to show is really hard, especially for the first meeting. If the folks are really senior (the ones I run are CIO level) it gets a lot easier after the first one because they show up as much to talk to each other as they do to talk to you. I’ve found that if you can lock in a couple of folks early then you can use them as a draw to get other folks to attend (hey, the CIO of XYZ corp who is really amazing is going to be there, what the heck is wrong with you?).
    Thanks for the link too!

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  6. Luke Hohmann

    CPM – thanks for the shout out. I appreciate being recognized. I have to clarify your potentially misleading statement about our IP. Innovation Games(R) is a registered trademark of Enthiosys. If you reference the games you need circle-R. Hey, I worked hard at the games and the names, and I want some credit. The actual games themselves are not trademarked because I understand the challenges of getting customers to play games — especially if you tell that they’re going to be playing a game. So, my advice is (generally) avoid mentioning anything about “games”. Instead, call them interactive sessions or interactive activities. We’re a few years from games being really well accepted in the workplace, but until them, keep playing, eh?

    PS. Perhaps the CPM might be less, well, cranky, if she played more games with her customers :-).

  7. Gary Mason

    Couldn’t agree more – in this economy a Customer Advisory Board is by far the low hanging fruit for any marketing and sales team to identify new revenue and secure existing customer loyalty!

    I’m linking to this article in our next newsletter and blog – feel free to reference us too!

    Cheers, CustomerAdvisoryBoard.org

  8. Liz Burnett

    Great post regarding CAC’s – I agree with most everything but do have one comment as it relates to who should organize the CAG? The customers that are attending this meeting most likely are the top 20% who are responsible for 80% of your revenue. With this high level of customer, rather than have an Admin handle this or even the event marketing team, you may want to work with a professional meeting manager who has expertise in this area. For a minimal cost, you can create a Fantastic Customer Experience and take your CAC to the next level. Every customer will feel they have been treated so well they will want to return. Also this frees up your team to focus on thier core responsibilities and the content of the program.

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