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		<title>By: Mark Lawler</title>
		<link>http://crankypm.com/2008/09/scrum-this/comment-page-1/#comment-6142</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Lawler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2011 00:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;The @crankypm battles those in Agile who want PM to be &quot;hunkered in the bunker&quot; vs. visiting customers. http://bit.ly/k0Kv8s&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">The @crankypm battles those in Agile who want PM to be &quot;hunkered in the bunker&quot; vs. visiting customers. <a href="http://bit.ly/k0Kv8s" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/k0Kv8s</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: John Peltier</title>
		<link>http://crankypm.com/2008/09/scrum-this/comment-page-1/#comment-6141</link>
		<dc:creator>John Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 23:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Still relevant from 2008... RT @scharnell Good post from the @crankypm: Scrum This: http://t.co/JCFgK4Y   #prodmgmt&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Still relevant from 2008&#8230; RT @scharnell Good post from the @crankypm: Scrum This: <a href="http://t.co/JCFgK4Y" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/JCFgK4Y</a>   #prodmgmt</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: peter scharnell</title>
		<link>http://crankypm.com/2008/09/scrum-this/comment-page-1/#comment-6140</link>
		<dc:creator>peter scharnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 21:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Good post from the @crankypm: Scrum This: http://t.co/JCFgK4Y   #prodmgmt&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Good post from the @crankypm: Scrum This: <a href="http://t.co/JCFgK4Y" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/JCFgK4Y</a>   #prodmgmt</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Sivakumar AVKD</title>
		<link>http://crankypm.com/2008/09/scrum-this/comment-page-1/#comment-6139</link>
		<dc:creator>Sivakumar AVKD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 17:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @crankypm: Scrum THIS ##prodmgmt http://t.co/JCFgK4Y&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @crankypm: Scrum THIS ##prodmgmt <a href="http://t.co/JCFgK4Y" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/JCFgK4Y</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: geniusboywonder</title>
		<link>http://crankypm.com/2008/09/scrum-this/comment-page-1/#comment-4451</link>
		<dc:creator>geniusboywonder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Still love the Cranky Product Manager ;-) - http://crankypm.com/2008/09/scrum-this/&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Still love the Cranky Product Manager ;-) &#8211; <a href="http://crankypm.com/2008/09/scrum-this/" rel="nofollow">http://crankypm.com/2008/09/scrum-this/</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
		<link>http://crankypm.com/2008/09/scrum-this/comment-page-1/#comment-1576</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My thought on the argument stating that the statement made CRH which the CPM agrees goes against the scrum recipe, is that scrum is just one of the tools of agile project management.  Others are XP, Lean, and so on...

There are other variations you can use to make agile project management work for you.  In one of the scrum projects I had, I had the BA act as the product owner since the BA is more familiar with the business objectives of the project.  BA constantly checks with the &quot;real product owner&quot; to make sure that decisions are done as per the latter&#039;s expectation.  I guess this is the tactical portion that &quot;Agile PM&quot; mentioned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My thought on the argument stating that the statement made CRH which the CPM agrees goes against the scrum recipe, is that scrum is just one of the tools of agile project management.  Others are XP, Lean, and so on&#8230;</p>
<p>There are other variations you can use to make agile project management work for you.  In one of the scrum projects I had, I had the BA act as the product owner since the BA is more familiar with the business objectives of the project.  BA constantly checks with the &#8220;real product owner&#8221; to make sure that decisions are done as per the latter&#8217;s expectation.  I guess this is the tactical portion that &#8220;Agile PM&#8221; mentioned.</p>
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		<title>By: Why it doesn&#8217;t matter where Product Manager lives in the organization &#124; The Cranky Product Manager</title>
		<link>http://crankypm.com/2008/09/scrum-this/comment-page-1/#comment-1532</link>
		<dc:creator>Why it doesn&#8217;t matter where Product Manager lives in the organization &#124; The Cranky Product Manager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] think PM should be in Engineering. Because then the PMs could be forced to hang out in the Agile Tomb all day with the engineers. And because some CodeBoyz and CodeGrrlz think the PM should even pitch [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] think PM should be in Engineering. Because then the PMs could be forced to hang out in the Agile Tomb all day with the engineers. And because some CodeBoyz and CodeGrrlz think the PM should even pitch [...]</p>
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		<title>By: How to be THE ULTIMATE Agile Product Team / Agile Product Managers and Agile Product Owners Living Together in Harmony : Agile Product Owner (.com)</title>
		<link>http://crankypm.com/2008/09/scrum-this/comment-page-1/#comment-1155</link>
		<dc:creator>How to be THE ULTIMATE Agile Product Team / Agile Product Managers and Agile Product Owners Living Together in Harmony : Agile Product Owner (.com)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 23:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the daily needs of the development team, and still be effective at their own external facing role (as effectively voiced by the Cranky Product Manager). (I Love Cranky PMs) This engineering cadence allowed for and “forced” the product deliveries [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the daily needs of the development team, and still be effective at their own external facing role (as effectively voiced by the Cranky Product Manager). (I Love Cranky PMs) This engineering cadence allowed for and “forced” the product deliveries [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Cranky Product Manager</title>
		<link>http://crankypm.com/2008/09/scrum-this/comment-page-1/#comment-938</link>
		<dc:creator>The Cranky Product Manager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 18:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cranky Product Marketing VP,
YOU complete the CPM. Seriously. She hearts you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cranky Product Marketing VP,<br />
YOU complete the CPM. Seriously. She hearts you.</p>
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		<title>By: The Cranky Product Manager</title>
		<link>http://crankypm.com/2008/09/scrum-this/comment-page-1/#comment-937</link>
		<dc:creator>The Cranky Product Manager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 18:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anthony, 
The issue is not so much the difficulty of communicating from a remote location -- everything you mentioned works great if you have a remote office. 

The issue is more the TIME. Meeting with customers, prospects and all the other constituents necessary to get a product out takes TIME.  The meetings make it not feasible for the PM to be reachable by the dev team any time of the day, no matter how much technology you can throw at the problem. 

You make an excellent point about the frequency of questions meaning the dev team is too in the dark.  That can often be the cause. But often it is because the dev team is inexperienced or afraid of being responsible for their own decisions, so they ask PM to make every little decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony,<br />
The issue is not so much the difficulty of communicating from a remote location &#8212; everything you mentioned works great if you have a remote office. </p>
<p>The issue is more the TIME. Meeting with customers, prospects and all the other constituents necessary to get a product out takes TIME.  The meetings make it not feasible for the PM to be reachable by the dev team any time of the day, no matter how much technology you can throw at the problem. </p>
<p>You make an excellent point about the frequency of questions meaning the dev team is too in the dark.  That can often be the cause. But often it is because the dev team is inexperienced or afraid of being responsible for their own decisions, so they ask PM to make every little decision.</p>
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