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	<description>Product management and the ugly side of software product development.</description>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
		<link>http://crankypm.com/2008/09/scrum-this/comment-page-1/#comment-1576</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My thought on the argument stating that the statement made CRH which the CPM agrees goes against the scrum recipe, is that scrum is just one of the tools of agile project management.  Others are XP, Lean, and so on...

There are other variations you can use to make agile project management work for you.  In one of the scrum projects I had, I had the BA act as the product owner since the BA is more familiar with the business objectives of the project.  BA constantly checks with the &quot;real product owner&quot; to make sure that decisions are done as per the latter&#039;s expectation.  I guess this is the tactical portion that &quot;Agile PM&quot; mentioned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My thought on the argument stating that the statement made CRH which the CPM agrees goes against the scrum recipe, is that scrum is just one of the tools of agile project management.  Others are XP, Lean, and so on&#8230;</p>
<p>There are other variations you can use to make agile project management work for you.  In one of the scrum projects I had, I had the BA act as the product owner since the BA is more familiar with the business objectives of the project.  BA constantly checks with the &#8220;real product owner&#8221; to make sure that decisions are done as per the latter&#8217;s expectation.  I guess this is the tactical portion that &#8220;Agile PM&#8221; mentioned.</p>
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		<title>By: Why it doesn&#8217;t matter where Product Manager lives in the organization &#124; The Cranky Product Manager</title>
		<link>http://crankypm.com/2008/09/scrum-this/comment-page-1/#comment-1532</link>
		<dc:creator>Why it doesn&#8217;t matter where Product Manager lives in the organization &#124; The Cranky Product Manager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] think PM should be in Engineering. Because then the PMs could be forced to hang out in the Agile Tomb all day with the engineers. And because some CodeBoyz and CodeGrrlz think the PM should even pitch [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] think PM should be in Engineering. Because then the PMs could be forced to hang out in the Agile Tomb all day with the engineers. And because some CodeBoyz and CodeGrrlz think the PM should even pitch [...]</p>
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		<title>By: How to be THE ULTIMATE Agile Product Team / Agile Product Managers and Agile Product Owners Living Together in Harmony : Agile Product Owner (.com)</title>
		<link>http://crankypm.com/2008/09/scrum-this/comment-page-1/#comment-1155</link>
		<dc:creator>How to be THE ULTIMATE Agile Product Team / Agile Product Managers and Agile Product Owners Living Together in Harmony : Agile Product Owner (.com)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 23:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the daily needs of the development team, and still be effective at their own external facing role (as effectively voiced by the Cranky Product Manager). (I Love Cranky PMs) This engineering cadence allowed for and “forced” the product deliveries [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the daily needs of the development team, and still be effective at their own external facing role (as effectively voiced by the Cranky Product Manager). (I Love Cranky PMs) This engineering cadence allowed for and “forced” the product deliveries [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Cranky Product Manager</title>
		<link>http://crankypm.com/2008/09/scrum-this/comment-page-1/#comment-938</link>
		<dc:creator>The Cranky Product Manager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 18:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cranky Product Marketing VP,
YOU complete the CPM. Seriously. She hearts you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cranky Product Marketing VP,<br />
YOU complete the CPM. Seriously. She hearts you.</p>
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		<title>By: The Cranky Product Manager</title>
		<link>http://crankypm.com/2008/09/scrum-this/comment-page-1/#comment-937</link>
		<dc:creator>The Cranky Product Manager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 18:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anthony, 
The issue is not so much the difficulty of communicating from a remote location -- everything you mentioned works great if you have a remote office. 

The issue is more the TIME. Meeting with customers, prospects and all the other constituents necessary to get a product out takes TIME.  The meetings make it not feasible for the PM to be reachable by the dev team any time of the day, no matter how much technology you can throw at the problem. 

You make an excellent point about the frequency of questions meaning the dev team is too in the dark.  That can often be the cause. But often it is because the dev team is inexperienced or afraid of being responsible for their own decisions, so they ask PM to make every little decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony,<br />
The issue is not so much the difficulty of communicating from a remote location &#8212; everything you mentioned works great if you have a remote office. </p>
<p>The issue is more the TIME. Meeting with customers, prospects and all the other constituents necessary to get a product out takes TIME.  The meetings make it not feasible for the PM to be reachable by the dev team any time of the day, no matter how much technology you can throw at the problem. </p>
<p>You make an excellent point about the frequency of questions meaning the dev team is too in the dark.  That can often be the cause. But often it is because the dev team is inexperienced or afraid of being responsible for their own decisions, so they ask PM to make every little decision.</p>
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		<title>By: The Cranky Product Manager</title>
		<link>http://crankypm.com/2008/09/scrum-this/comment-page-1/#comment-936</link>
		<dc:creator>The Cranky Product Manager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 18:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CRH, The Cranky PM agrees with you. There should be nothing so urgent it can&#039;t wait a day for a decision. And we need to allow for the possibility the PM would need even more time to do research.  

But alas, this reasonable and sane expectation is against the &quot;Official Scrum Recipe.&quot; Scrum mandates a &quot;product owner&quot; live in the Scrum room and be on-site and able to answer any question within minutes. This is just not feasible in any situation where the product is for more than one customer.  

And because the trend of the day is to treat Scrum like it&#039;s a frakin&#039; religion, well to suggest deviation from the recipe is heresy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CRH, The Cranky PM agrees with you. There should be nothing so urgent it can&#8217;t wait a day for a decision. And we need to allow for the possibility the PM would need even more time to do research.  </p>
<p>But alas, this reasonable and sane expectation is against the &#8220;Official Scrum Recipe.&#8221; Scrum mandates a &#8220;product owner&#8221; live in the Scrum room and be on-site and able to answer any question within minutes. This is just not feasible in any situation where the product is for more than one customer.  </p>
<p>And because the trend of the day is to treat Scrum like it&#8217;s a frakin&#8217; religion, well to suggest deviation from the recipe is heresy.</p>
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		<title>By: Heresy Against the Church of Agile Software Development &#124; The Cranky Product Manager</title>
		<link>http://crankypm.com/2008/09/scrum-this/comment-page-1/#comment-899</link>
		<dc:creator>Heresy Against the Church of Agile Software Development &#124; The Cranky Product Manager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 00:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Scrum This! [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Anthony Broad-Crawford</title>
		<link>http://crankypm.com/2008/09/scrum-this/comment-page-1/#comment-894</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Broad-Crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In our day and age the agile &quot;war room&quot; is as large as the internet.  I and several others are out in the real world interacting with customers and the market rather frequently.  Attending the agile meetings remotely isn&#039;t a problem with the rise of  video conferencing, desktop sharing, digital white boards, etc.  We have had attendees of the four corners of the United States and been able to hold these meetings.  Distance should never be a limiting factor for ones availability.  

More importantly, the product development team shouldn&#039;t have to ask the PM for direction and resolution every few minutes.  The minutia needed for these hour by hour (or card by card) tasks should be thoroughly understood by the development teams. If they are immobile without the PM sitting within ear shot, they are too in the dark about the product and the customer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In our day and age the agile &#8220;war room&#8221; is as large as the internet.  I and several others are out in the real world interacting with customers and the market rather frequently.  Attending the agile meetings remotely isn&#8217;t a problem with the rise of  video conferencing, desktop sharing, digital white boards, etc.  We have had attendees of the four corners of the United States and been able to hold these meetings.  Distance should never be a limiting factor for ones availability.  </p>
<p>More importantly, the product development team shouldn&#8217;t have to ask the PM for direction and resolution every few minutes.  The minutia needed for these hour by hour (or card by card) tasks should be thoroughly understood by the development teams. If they are immobile without the PM sitting within ear shot, they are too in the dark about the product and the customer.</p>
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		<title>By: Agile/Scrum and Product Management (part 3) &#171; On Product Management</title>
		<link>http://crankypm.com/2008/09/scrum-this/comment-page-1/#comment-893</link>
		<dc:creator>Agile/Scrum and Product Management (part 3) &#171; On Product Management</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 05:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] CrankyPM, in her own unique way, also sums it up well: You argue that in Scrum the product manager is the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] CrankyPM, in her own unique way, also sums it up well: You argue that in Scrum the product manager is the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cranky Product Marketing VP</title>
		<link>http://crankypm.com/2008/09/scrum-this/comment-page-1/#comment-594</link>
		<dc:creator>Cranky Product Marketing VP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh, cranky product manager, you complete me!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, cranky product manager, you complete me!</p>
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