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		<title>By: Seilevel</title>
		<link>http://crankypm.com/2008/12/where-product-manager-resides-organization/comment-page-1/#comment-5090</link>
		<dc:creator>Seilevel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 05:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Why it doesn’t matter where Product Management lives in the organization
http://bit.ly/4RxNX&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Why it doesn’t matter where Product Management lives in the organization<br />
<a href="http://bit.ly/4RxNX" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/4RxNX</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Ned Hayes</title>
		<link>http://crankypm.com/2008/12/where-product-manager-resides-organization/comment-page-1/#comment-4454</link>
		<dc:creator>Ned Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;interesting post about how it DOESN&#039;T MATTER where Product Management lives in an org....  http://bit.ly/4RxNX&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">interesting post about how it DOESN&#8217;T MATTER where Product Management lives in an org&#8230;.  <a href="http://bit.ly/4RxNX" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/4RxNX</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Paul Velonis</title>
		<link>http://crankypm.com/2008/12/where-product-manager-resides-organization/comment-page-1/#comment-4455</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Velonis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Where should product managers live http://bit.ly/hyr4D&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Where should product managers live <a href="http://bit.ly/hyr4D" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/hyr4D</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: ssheppard</title>
		<link>http://crankypm.com/2008/12/where-product-manager-resides-organization/comment-page-1/#comment-4456</link>
		<dc:creator>ssheppard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;I&#039;m smiling at this :-) http://tinyurl.com/5mtae7 I&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">I&#8217;m smiling at this :-) <a href="http://tinyurl.com/5mtae7" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/5mtae7</a> I</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Saeed vs. Cranky PM: Fight! &#171; On Product Management</title>
		<link>http://crankypm.com/2008/12/where-product-manager-resides-organization/comment-page-1/#comment-2778</link>
		<dc:creator>Saeed vs. Cranky PM: Fight! &#171; On Product Management</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 20:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] must have made some really relevant points in some comments (1,2) on the Cranky PM&#8217;s site, because she decided to honour me with a post entirely dedicated [...]</description>
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		<title>By: On Engineering Meetings (redux) &#124; The Cranky Product Manager</title>
		<link>http://crankypm.com/2008/12/where-product-manager-resides-organization/comment-page-1/#comment-2708</link>
		<dc:creator>On Engineering Meetings (redux) &#124; The Cranky Product Manager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] comments on her older blog posts.  In particular, those from a certain reader who keeps inflicting violent disagreement on [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Worth the Read &#171; i need a reality check</title>
		<link>http://crankypm.com/2008/12/where-product-manager-resides-organization/comment-page-1/#comment-1700</link>
		<dc:creator>Worth the Read &#171; i need a reality check</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 15:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Cranky Product Manager - &#8220;Why it doesn’t matter where Product Management lives in the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Igor</title>
		<link>http://crankypm.com/2008/12/where-product-manager-resides-organization/comment-page-1/#comment-1603</link>
		<dc:creator>Igor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 08:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post.  Speaking from experience, having the PM team report to the VP R&amp;D is a very bad idea. Bad as in ineffective process, unhappy PMs and terrible products.  The key problem is the lack of leverage when working with developers, as they quickly learn they can escalate any disagreement to the big boss who will invariably side with their seemingly more-techie-less-risky point of view.  This may deteriorate to a state where R&amp;D calls the shots on everything regardless of any spec or request.  The VP R&amp;D will never realize he/she are single-handedly demolishing the product and the product team. Actually they’d rather enjoy the ego boost that comes from having full control over everything to do with the product. On the other hand they’ll never allow any or this to filter outside his/her organization, so to the rest of the company, including the CEO, will not be aware that you are powerless as a PM and will rather assume you’re just inapt at your job. I’m pretty sure multiple potentially good companies had shut down because of this phenomenon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post.  Speaking from experience, having the PM team report to the VP R&amp;D is a very bad idea. Bad as in ineffective process, unhappy PMs and terrible products.  The key problem is the lack of leverage when working with developers, as they quickly learn they can escalate any disagreement to the big boss who will invariably side with their seemingly more-techie-less-risky point of view.  This may deteriorate to a state where R&amp;D calls the shots on everything regardless of any spec or request.  The VP R&amp;D will never realize he/she are single-handedly demolishing the product and the product team. Actually they’d rather enjoy the ego boost that comes from having full control over everything to do with the product. On the other hand they’ll never allow any or this to filter outside his/her organization, so to the rest of the company, including the CEO, will not be aware that you are powerless as a PM and will rather assume you’re just inapt at your job. I’m pretty sure multiple potentially good companies had shut down because of this phenomenon.</p>
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		<title>By: Mervyn Alamgir</title>
		<link>http://crankypm.com/2008/12/where-product-manager-resides-organization/comment-page-1/#comment-1572</link>
		<dc:creator>Mervyn Alamgir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. CPM was reading my mind because I had a conversation about this same topic with a colleague this morning. The ultimate success of a product manager is based on their passion, ability to lead and knowledge of the customer/product/business, not where they sit in an organization.

Product management is the glue of the organization, the only group that interacts with sales, marketing, engineering, QA, support, ops, finance, the CEO, CTO and every other corner of the office. But it doesn&#039;t matter how much responsibility sits within product management, there is never any authority that goes with it, too bad, deal with it.

For PMs-in-training: get a thick skin, develop a passionate voice and have data to back up your beliefs. This will earn you respect within the organization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. CPM was reading my mind because I had a conversation about this same topic with a colleague this morning. The ultimate success of a product manager is based on their passion, ability to lead and knowledge of the customer/product/business, not where they sit in an organization.</p>
<p>Product management is the glue of the organization, the only group that interacts with sales, marketing, engineering, QA, support, ops, finance, the CEO, CTO and every other corner of the office. But it doesn&#8217;t matter how much responsibility sits within product management, there is never any authority that goes with it, too bad, deal with it.</p>
<p>For PMs-in-training: get a thick skin, develop a passionate voice and have data to back up your beliefs. This will earn you respect within the organization.</p>
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		<title>By: The Cranky Product Manager never fails to disappoint, plus a blog you should read &#124; The Cranky Product Manager</title>
		<link>http://crankypm.com/2008/12/where-product-manager-resides-organization/comment-page-1/#comment-1559</link>
		<dc:creator>The Cranky Product Manager never fails to disappoint, plus a blog you should read &#124; The Cranky Product Manager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a jackass the Cranky Product Manager is.  Before she knew that he would &#8220;violently&#8221; disagree with her (shame on him!), the Cranky Product manager promised Saeed of the excellent  On Product [...]</description>
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