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		<title>By: Frank Jensen</title>
		<link>http://crankypm.com/2009/03/guest-post-cranky-sales-engineer-shares-sales-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-3455</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;cite&gt;Tie features to technical problems&lt;/cite&gt;

It puzzles me why this seem to happen so rarely. 

In interaction design they create user goals, and let the goals define the features. With this approach they often find that fewer features solves the goals better. 

It buffels me that Product managers and other managers underestimate interaction design. They make it so much easier to deside witch features to ignore. 

Why should the PM tell 58 sales engineers to sod off every week, when an interaction designer can show them why their features are irrelevant in the big picture?

-Frank Jensen, Developer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>Tie features to technical problems</cite></p>
<p>It puzzles me why this seem to happen so rarely. </p>
<p>In interaction design they create user goals, and let the goals define the features. With this approach they often find that fewer features solves the goals better. </p>
<p>It buffels me that Product managers and other managers underestimate interaction design. They make it so much easier to deside witch features to ignore. </p>
<p>Why should the PM tell 58 sales engineers to sod off every week, when an interaction designer can show them why their features are irrelevant in the big picture?</p>
<p>-Frank Jensen, Developer</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Jim Anderson</title>
		<link>http://crankypm.com/2009/03/guest-post-cranky-sales-engineer-shares-sales-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-3262</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Jim Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 00:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well stated. I guess the take-away is &quot;People buy from people&quot; and so at the end of the day, the best product doesn&#039;t necessarily win, but the best relationship nearly always does!


- Dr. Jim Anderson
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.TheAccidentalPM.com/&quot; title=&quot;The Accidental Product Manager Blog&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Accidental PM Blog&lt;/a&gt;
&quot;Home Of The Billion Dollar Product Manager&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well stated. I guess the take-away is &#8220;People buy from people&#8221; and so at the end of the day, the best product doesn&#8217;t necessarily win, but the best relationship nearly always does!</p>
<p>- Dr. Jim Anderson<br />
<a href="http://www.TheAccidentalPM.com/" title="The Accidental Product Manager Blog" rel="nofollow">The Accidental PM Blog</a><br />
&#8220;Home Of The Billion Dollar Product Manager&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Salemi</title>
		<link>http://crankypm.com/2009/03/guest-post-cranky-sales-engineer-shares-sales-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-3243</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Salemi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 17:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once inherited a product that had been almost destroyed by a GM-led product-management-by-latest-deal philosophy.  The ultimate insult is that he rarely got the money promised to him for these &quot;features.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once inherited a product that had been almost destroyed by a GM-led product-management-by-latest-deal philosophy.  The ultimate insult is that he rarely got the money promised to him for these &#8220;features.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Gander</title>
		<link>http://crankypm.com/2009/03/guest-post-cranky-sales-engineer-shares-sales-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-3237</link>
		<dc:creator>Gander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will expand upon Don in this.  What the CSE is absolutely, 100% true.  

However, as PM&#039;s we (at least I) have about 60 CSE&#039;s world wide, and each one of them has a different opinion on what the &lt;b&gt;Product&lt;/b&gt; needs to be (and it is usually what caused them to lose their last order).  Thus we are blessed with the wisdom of 60 opinions on what is right, and guess how many of them can be right enough to make it into the product.

I live in a hardware world, where it takes a fairly long time to alter course (you have to design the changes, then you have to model the impact (usually a FEA modelling exercise), you have to prototype it, you have to check the actual performance (is it on par with the MRD, or do we need to iterate), then we have to ensure that our change doesn&#039;t f*ck up any other aspect of performance (and believe me, it is VERY common for an innocuous change to destroy a finely tuned system), and then we commit to the main product the change.  Oh, and by the way, a truck load of SW is usually required to achieve some of this.

Then you go to the annual sale meeting and tell the CSE&#039;s what is not available, and you get 1 or 2 people cheering, and 58 throwing rotten fruit, since their pet requests got dropped below the cut line.

The value that falls on me and my team is to make sure that our limited resources are used to address the biggest business problem our customer base has.  We are pretty successful, but the enhancements are usually not platform changes that the CSE&#039;s like to see.

Of course, as a final note, I am displeased that my GM is about to drive e complete platform evolution for a single customer, that will have no applicability beyond this one (small) customer, and will destroy all our other development efforts for the entire year, but hey, we need the $1M in bookings for it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will expand upon Don in this.  What the CSE is absolutely, 100% true.  </p>
<p>However, as PM&#8217;s we (at least I) have about 60 CSE&#8217;s world wide, and each one of them has a different opinion on what the <b>Product</b> needs to be (and it is usually what caused them to lose their last order).  Thus we are blessed with the wisdom of 60 opinions on what is right, and guess how many of them can be right enough to make it into the product.</p>
<p>I live in a hardware world, where it takes a fairly long time to alter course (you have to design the changes, then you have to model the impact (usually a FEA modelling exercise), you have to prototype it, you have to check the actual performance (is it on par with the MRD, or do we need to iterate), then we have to ensure that our change doesn&#8217;t f*ck up any other aspect of performance (and believe me, it is VERY common for an innocuous change to destroy a finely tuned system), and then we commit to the main product the change.  Oh, and by the way, a truck load of SW is usually required to achieve some of this.</p>
<p>Then you go to the annual sale meeting and tell the CSE&#8217;s what is not available, and you get 1 or 2 people cheering, and 58 throwing rotten fruit, since their pet requests got dropped below the cut line.</p>
<p>The value that falls on me and my team is to make sure that our limited resources are used to address the biggest business problem our customer base has.  We are pretty successful, but the enhancements are usually not platform changes that the CSE&#8217;s like to see.</p>
<p>Of course, as a final note, I am displeased that my GM is about to drive e complete platform evolution for a single customer, that will have no applicability beyond this one (small) customer, and will destroy all our other development efforts for the entire year, but hey, we need the $1M in bookings for it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Don MacLennan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don MacLennan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 03:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This all makes sense.  I wish it was always true in practice.

If I had a frickin nickel for every time an SE came to me for help but without a customer problem to solve, I&#039;d own...well.... something I don&#039;t have yet.   Thus making me (or my team) in the business of problem diagnosis.  Isn&#039;t that an SE responsibility?

Seriously, life is easy when the problem statement is clear.  Either the product solves it or it doesn&#039;t.  Any competent product manager can make the connection between a product and his/her product&#039;s ability to solve it.

I suspect there&#039;s an ever broader issue at hand.  And that is, when a customer appears willing to spend money, the sales force&#039;s product better be the one that&#039;s bought.  Without regard for the fit of problem-to-your-solution.  Do economic times like these make vendors more desperate and less disciplined in this regard?  Is there any point in resisting it as product managers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This all makes sense.  I wish it was always true in practice.</p>
<p>If I had a frickin nickel for every time an SE came to me for help but without a customer problem to solve, I&#8217;d own&#8230;well&#8230;. something I don&#8217;t have yet.   Thus making me (or my team) in the business of problem diagnosis.  Isn&#8217;t that an SE responsibility?</p>
<p>Seriously, life is easy when the problem statement is clear.  Either the product solves it or it doesn&#8217;t.  Any competent product manager can make the connection between a product and his/her product&#8217;s ability to solve it.</p>
<p>I suspect there&#8217;s an ever broader issue at hand.  And that is, when a customer appears willing to spend money, the sales force&#8217;s product better be the one that&#8217;s bought.  Without regard for the fit of problem-to-your-solution.  Do economic times like these make vendors more desperate and less disciplined in this regard?  Is there any point in resisting it as product managers?</p>
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		<title>By: franke james</title>
		<link>http://crankypm.com/2009/03/guest-post-cranky-sales-engineer-shares-sales-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-4468</link>
		<dc:creator>franke james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @crankypm: Cranky Sales Engineer Shares Sales Secrets http://tinyurl.com/cn5kuw Reaction: @trevorrotzien &quot;Your post is painfully true&quot;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @crankypm: Cranky Sales Engineer Shares Sales Secrets <a href="http://tinyurl.com/cn5kuw" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/cn5kuw</a> Reaction: @trevorrotzien &#8220;Your post is painfully true&#8221;</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Paco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;knock my own septic molar out with an ice skate&quot; &lt;-- That&#039;s going to be a new value for &quot;customer priority&quot; in an enhancements database, just above &quot;high&quot; and &quot;very high&quot;.  It will become a regularly uttered phrase in product planning meetings - &quot;yeah, but is it &#039;&lt;b&gt;septic molar&lt;/b&gt;&#039; important?&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;knock my own septic molar out with an ice skate&#8221; &lt;&#8211; That&#8217;s going to be a new value for &#8220;customer priority&#8221; in an enhancements database, just above &#8220;high&#8221; and &#8220;very high&#8221;.  It will become a regularly uttered phrase in product planning meetings &#8211; &#8220;yeah, but is it &#8216;<b>septic molar</b>&#8216; important?&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you need to point this out, then you are either:
a) working in a company where the products organization only reports to R&amp;D.
b) working in a company where the Product Managers have no effective leadership. or:
c) both
I really can&#039;t believe that any PM worth their salt needs to have this stuff explained!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you need to point this out, then you are either:<br />
a) working in a company where the products organization only reports to R&amp;D.<br />
b) working in a company where the Product Managers have no effective leadership. or:<br />
c) both<br />
I really can&#8217;t believe that any PM worth their salt needs to have this stuff explained!!</p>
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		<title>By: John Koetsier</title>
		<link>http://crankypm.com/2009/03/guest-post-cranky-sales-engineer-shares-sales-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-4469</link>
		<dc:creator>John Koetsier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Guest Post: The Cranky Sales Engineer Shares Sales Secrets: Annual planning is nearly over and the Cranky Sales .. http://tinyurl.com/cjcho6&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Guest Post: The Cranky Sales Engineer Shares Sales Secrets: Annual planning is nearly over and the Cranky Sales .. <a href="http://tinyurl.com/cjcho6" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/cjcho6</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Trevor Rotzien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trevor Rotzien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @crankypm: New blog Guest Post: The Cranky Sales Engineer Shares Sales Secrets http://tinyurl.com/cn5kuw&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @crankypm: New blog Guest Post: The Cranky Sales Engineer Shares Sales Secrets <a href="http://tinyurl.com/cn5kuw" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/cn5kuw</a></span></span></span></p>
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