Following up on the previous post about the deepening dearth of women in the software industry, here are some incidents of outright sexism that the Cranky Product Manager has encountered in this industry.
Admittedly, most of these are pretty mild. After all, she doesn’t feel she was every denied a promotion or made less salary because she was female. She was never pressured to “do” anyone. And she honestly believes that the overwhelming majority of men she has worked with really WANT to see more women in technical and product roles, and to see them advance.
But still.
And no, The Cranky Product Manager never reported any of these incidents to HR. Maybe she should have, but – let’s face it – it probably wouldn’t have changed things anyway.
1. Being one of the 3 engineers in an R&D group of 20 that were not invited to the big industry tradeshow in Vegas. All three of the “left behinds” were women, and all 17 that attended were guys. The excuse was that we women would not have had fun, and they didn’t think we’d want to attend anyway since most of what they did was go to strip clubs. (The group came back from Vegas with lots of awesome research project ideas, triggered by their conference experiences. Experiences that we women missed out on.)
2. Booth babes at Trade Shows. Every year. And having people assume that the Cranky Product Manager is a know-nothing booth babe who doesn’t know CSS from NoSQL.
3. Account managers asking the Cranky Product Manager to please flirt with a prospect’s tech guys on sales calls. Because those guys “get off on geeky chicks.”
4. Erased #4 because this post is getting an unexpectedly huge audience and the CrankyPM needs to protect her identity.
5. Attending a Sales Kick-Off party where the CEO hired an “actress/comedienne” to perform / strip for the company. (You see, she only got down to her bra and panties, so it was “okay.”)
6. Scantily clad women (no men!) dancing in cages and groping each other, at the “big party” every year at the DysfunctoWorld conference for customers and partners.
7. Having the skeevy, drunk Division GM, dressed as Santa Claus, basically force the Cranky Product Manager to sit on his lap during the Christmas party. For an excrutiatingly long three minutes.
UPDATE: Forgot a few! More below….
8. At her first out-of-college job, being referred to as the “Build Mistress.” This isn’t bad in itself, because she was indeed the Build Master/Mistress. But the dominatrix jokes (and white board doodlings) stopped being funny after the 25th repetition.
9. As an engineer at an early-stage startup, being sent home to change and scrub the makeup off my face prior to a meeting with prospective Venture Capitalists. Because the VCs would never believe that I was a serious engineer if I wore a skirt.
10. Having every visitor to her startup’s office assume the Cranky Product Manager was the office manager just because she was the nearest female to the door. (There was a male office manager, plus about 5 other guys were closer to the door than the CPM.)
11. When interviewing at a startup with no female employees, the Cranky PM attended a “company meeting” to get a feel for the culture. The VP of Engineering dropped the F-bomb and a few other swears (big deal!). But THEN the speaker turned to the Cranky Product Manager and said, “Excuse me! I didn’t realize we were in MIXED company.” Later he made a blow job joke and said “Oops! I keep forgetting we’re in MIXED company!”
Way to make a girl feel at home! Keep pointing out she’s different than everyone else, under the guise of “politeness.” And PLEASE, the Cranky Product Manager drops more F-bombs before breakfast than that douchebag does in a week. (this is not a good thing, but it is what it is.) Needless to say, the Cranky PM did not join this company.
Software Sisters, add your own experiences in the comments!






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RT @crankypm: New Cranky Blog Post! Sexism in Software, as Experienced by Cranky PM. http://ow.ly/2Vt6i #prodmgmt #software
RT @crankypm: holy moly, reddit picked up the CrankyPM's Sexism in Software post, and got 6000 hits in 6 hours. http://ow.ly/2Vt6i
I'm really grateful that I haven't experienced much like this. Sexism in the Software Industry: http://is.gd/g9KIx
Cranky PM (@crankypm) followup, on sexism in software. I nodded at every one of these. http://bit.ly/byf0B0
god. so annoyingly familiar. cranky product manager on experiencing sexing in tech. http://tinyurl.com/2wh2flw #singitsister
RT @crankypm: Sexism in the Software Industry, as Encountered by the Cranky Product Manager #prodmgmt http://bit.ly/bx1fIt (L5)
RT @crankypm: Sexism in the Software Industry, as Encountered by the Cranky Product Manager ##prodmgmt http://bit.ly/bx1fIt
Very interesting account of sexism that one female Product Manager faces: http://bit.ly/byf0B0
RT @gamingangel: Very interesting account of sexism that one female Product Manager faces: http://bit.ly/byf0B0
RT @gamingangel: Very interesting account of sexism that one female Product Manager faces: http://bit.ly/byf0B0
Hola, CrankyPM… I’m not a “she” but I enjoyed the read. Sorry about the negative experiences, of course, but you tell the tale well… and I have certainly seen my share of stuff I thought inappropriate too at company parties and conferences. (Seems to die off as companies get larger– or at least become less extreme– perhaps because they become aware that “we could get sued”.)
Seen lots of "booth babes" and inappropriate vendor behaviour at conferences. Sad. http://bit.ly/byf0B0 #sysadmin #sexism #lopsa
the cranky PM talks about sexism in software: http://crankypm.com/2010/10/sexism-software-industry-encountered-cranky-product-manager/
Booth babes – just say no.
Our prez decided we would try this one year at a show and ended up getting more attendee badge scans in one day than in the previous two years combined. Of course our sales people ended up with more crap cold call leads that year than the previous two years combined :)
I had an experience once where I was discussing the capabilities of a partner’s plug in with the developer in charge of the plug (a youngish woman). At one point the discussion got more technical than I could address, so I said something along the lines of, “I think we should probably get an engineer on the phone to discuss that.”… silence on the other end of the phone… then, coldly “I am an engineer.”
I tried to explain I meant me, not her, etc. But it was very awkward. I felt really bad thinking maybe her reaction was because she got that kind of thing all the time.
RT @crankypm: New Cranky Blog Post! Sexism in Software, as Experienced by Cranky PM. http://ow.ly/2Vt6i #prodmgmt #software
RT @crankypm: New Cranky Blog Post! Sexism in Software, as Experienced by Cranky PM. http://ow.ly/2Vt6i #prodmgmt
women in software industry, read this http://bit.ly/byf0B0 #PMOT #women
r @just_kate seen http://crankypm.com/2010/10/sexism-software-industry-encountered-cranky-product-manager/ ? might be RT-able 4 your audienc
RT @crankypm: Sexism in the Software Industry, as Encountered by the Cranky Product Manager ##prodmgmt http://bit.ly/bx1fIt
Read a CIO online article that referenced your blog post … about women in security professions
Setting the scene: working in a high-rise office building, the shared bathrooms were in the hallways. The men’s room was located directly across a security-enabled side access door to our office. The women’s room required walking almost completely around the building. Despite having another side office door that would considerably shorten our walk, the owner decided this would remain a one-way door that would only permit access to hallway, not from it.
The actors: Me, the Owner, a Prospective Vendor.
The scene: One fine day, I was on the trail of the Vendor and the Owner on our way to our respective rest rooms. As we walked out the side office door facing the men’s room, I heard the owner explain, “the men’s room is right here, the women have to walk all the way around,” to which the Vendor replied glibly, “as it should be.” He must have noticed someone was following him and turned around to encounter me, the smile still fresh on his face. “Exactly,” was all I could manage. With no apology, no word at all, he turned and entered the mens room.
I related this event to my manager whose response was, “and? I don’t get it.” Fortunately, the HR person was female and rolled her eyes when hearing both events.
She later told me that the Owner thought this statement was abhorrent and did not partake in the joke – yet, I never received an apology from the Owner, nor was the Vendor spoken with about this incident.
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